The One True Universal Faith
Posted by David Rogers in Bible & Theology, Church & Missions
In preparation for a seminar in my studies at SEBTS entitled “Soteriology and World Religions,” I have been reading through several assigned texts on the topic of religious pluralism. Though there are several different versions of it, and different thinkers and theologians have approached it from different angles, the basic idea behind religious pluralism is that, at the core, all religions are the same. Though they may differ widely in regard to the specific ceremonies that are performed, the specific doctrines that are taught, and the specific stories that are told to give support to these doctrines, the basic function they serve and the ultimate aim of all of them is the same: they are just different paths for connecting mankind with Ultimate Reality, or some sense or another of the Transcendent—whether you personalize it and call it God, or whether you impersonalize it and call it something else—and for giving people a hope for a better life by means of learning to look beyond themselves and following something akin to the Golden Rule.
As I have been reading these books and thinking through the implications behind them, I have come to the conclusion that a major part of what is at stake hinges on what one believes concerning the divine authority of the Bible. If you believe that the Bible is really and truly the Word of God, in which He Himself has taken the initiative to supernaturally reveal His will to mankind, the pluralistic hypothesis makes little sense. If, however, it merely reflects the thoughts of certain men and women, in a certain time and cultural context, as they have sought to get in touch with Ultimate Reality, it makes much more sense.
For many pluralists, the Bible may well be true, but it is not literally true. It is true in the sense that Aesop’s Fables are true. If, for instance, you start asking whether there was a literal tortoise and a literal hare who literally ran a literal race, you are missing the point altogether. The moral of the story is still the same, and it is a true moral, which serves a helpful purpose for us as humans as we seek to face the challenges that come our way during our pilgrimage on this earth. In the same way, say the pluralists, the Bible is true.
If that’s the way in which we are to understand the authority of the Bible, though, it would make total sense that different people in different cultural settings might just as well come up with different stories to illustrate the same basic universal truths. And, if your story works well for you, then great, no problem. Just don’t tell people who grew up somewhere else with a completely different cultural background that their story doesn’t work just as well for them.
Paul F. Knitter, one of the more radical pluralists, states it this way:
To have a friend, a colleague, or a neighbor who has found meaning according to a religious path that apparently is quite different from Christianity not only impresses but disturbs us. A Zen Buddhist who has found peace through a practice that does not even teach the existence of God, or a Hindu who has discovered “salvation” in the realization that there is no essential difference between her and other persons and a tree—what does this mean for our lives and our beliefs? Such friends, we know, are not religious fanatics. They are normal, happy human beings, getting their jobs done, raising their families as well, perhaps better, then we, and living lives of love, of service, of commitment…
The impact becomes more pressing when we look carefully at what nineteen centuries of Christian missionary activity have actually accomplished. Certainly the achievements are extensive and laudable. Thanks to the blood and sweat of generations of missioners, the Christian church is “planted” and present on all continents and in almost every nation. Also, as Gandhi recognized, the vision and values of the Nazarene, as contained in the Sermon on the Mount, have notably influenced cultures that staunchly refuse to call themselves Christian. But if we consider the goal of Christian missions to be conversion, the picture becomes less impressive, in fact quite disheartening. After two thousand years of missionary labors, Christians number only about 31 percent of the world population…
We are confronted with further sobering reflections when we consider just who has been and is being converted to Christianity: “Superstitious folk religions and religious decadence are essentially what fell before Christianity’s remarkable advance in the Mediterranean and European worlds when the faith staked its claim to what is now the seat of Christian cultural tradition. It is this kind of field that is always whitest for the Christian harvest.”¹ Admitting the ethnocentric overtones in dubbing any religion “superstitious,” we have to face the facts of the history of Christian missions: the vast majority of converts have come from polytheistic or animistic religions or from religions that had already lost their personal hold on the hearts of their peoples.²
Personally, I do not agree with Knitter that the validity of the Christian faith rises or falls on the effectiveness of Christian missions in its endeavor to penetrate all the different cultures and make disciples of all the people groups of the earth. The gospel stands on its own two feet. It is true because the God who revealed it to us is the one true God, and Jesus is the one and only Son of God who died on the cross to take away the sins, not only of the Jews, but of all the world.
As Christians, we may well have failed to a large degree in our obedience to the Great Commission. However, if we truly believe the Word of God, we believe that it is God’s will for the gospel to take root among all the nations of the earth, and that, at the final day, there will be a multitude gathered “from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb” (Rev. 7: 9). While we do not believe in universalism (in the sense that, in the end, everyone will be saved), we do believe in a faith that is universally valid and binding on people from all ethnic backgrounds and cultures.
According to Knitter, and other pluralists, Christianity is a religion of the West. A major chunk of 2,000 years of church history has taken place on Western soil. Along the way, it has drunk deeply from the well of Western culture and has also left its indelible mark on Western society. It has been, by and large, Western missionaries who have sought to introduce Christianity to the rest of the world.
But, if you take the view that true Christianity is, first and foremost, a faith rooted in Jesus Himself, and in the Bible, and not so much in 2,000 years of historical accretions and culturally-influenced traditions, I believe it can successfully be argued that the faith we embrace is as much a Middle-Eastern religion as it is a Western one. After all, Jesus and the vast majority of the writers of the Bible were Jews, not Europeans or Americans.
Now, it is true that the Holy Spirit Himself, by way of a vision of a man from Macedonia, specifically led Paul to the West, and that, as a result of that turn of events, the gospel took root in the West, and influenced Western culture, and, to a large degree, Christendom itself was influenced by Western culture. None of this is particularly surprising, though, seeing as how the same Bible upon which we base our faith tells us that God sovereignly chose Abraham—and subsequently, his descendants—from among all the people on earth as the ones He would bless, and, more importantly still, the ones through whom He would bless all the nations of the earth.
However, to the degree we, as Christians, are content to see our faith as merely a Western religion, I think that, in certain aspects, the accusation that Knitter and the pluralists throw at us as conservative evangelical exclusivists sticks. It is an apologetic necessity to rightly divide between our cultural preferences and our faith. If the faith we believe is not true for people in any culture and any time, then it is not ultimately and exclusively true for us either. It is little better than one more tribal religion that other people groups use to validate their own cultural values and prop up the prosperity of their own society and the continuance of their own traditions.
What does this mean for us as American Christians today?
I think it means, first of all, we need to examine our own traditions and practices, and ask ourselves how much of what we do is more a reflection of our culture than it is of the Bible we profess as our supreme guide of faith and practice. We need to ask ourselves to what degree our religion is a syncretistic blend of biblical Christianity and American civil religion.
Next, I think it means we need to be increasingly conscious of our responsibility to play our due part in the fulfillment of the Great Commission. If our faith is truly a universal faith, then it must reach and take root among all the cultures and people groups of the world. And, though this is ultimately the responsibility of the Lord of the Harvest, He has called and appointed each one of us to play our respective roles as His coworkers in the gathering of the Harvest.
Next, I think it means we also need to be increasingly conscious of the fact that the fulfillment of the Great Commission is not our responsibility alone. It is the responsibility of the whole church around the world. We need to do all we can not only to go into all the world, but also to help our brothers and sisters from other lands to go into all the world and preach the gospel. The Great Commission must come full circle. And, in many ways, today (contrary to what Knitter claimed back in 1985 when he wrote his book), it is doing just that in spectacular, unprecedented ways (read, for example, The Church is Bigger than You Think, by Patrick Johnstone; and The Next Christendom, and The New Faces of Christianity, by Philip Jenkins).
But it also means we need to do the best job possible as American Christians to see to it that the Christianity we export to the rest of the world is not, at the core, a Western religion.
This, however, is a whole lot harder than what it might seem. After all, we are what we are, and we are Westerners. It would be disingenuous for us to try to somehow extricate our culture and socio-political history from our persona and be some type of culturally neutral automatons. And, while pioneers of missionary contextualization such as J. Hudson Taylor were greatly used by God as catalysts for significant breakthroughs in missionary advance, the history of missions is also littered with the epithets of those who took “going native” to neurotic extremes and even caused the locals with whom they tried so hard to identify to notice there was something strange and unnatural about them.
Having said that, I think, as missionaries and supporters of the missionary enterprise, we must ask ourselves some hard questions about the way we go about our work. Will the platforms we use to introduce the gospel in our host culture ultimately lead to a local expression of Christianity that will be open to the accusation of being a Western import? Or will they lead to a culturally indigenous Christianity?
As outsiders in a new culture, we look for connecting points—something in our past, some skill we bring to the table, some resource or novelty that will raise the interest of the people around us, and gather a crowd who we hope will also respond positively to the gospel message we attach to it. On occasions, these connecting points have a specific tie-in to our American background. This is fine and well, up to a point. If we are to gain people’s ears and their hearts, we must first establish authentic relationships. And, if we are going to establish authentic relationships, we must not hide who we really are. We should not put up a false façade.
But we must do our best, at the same time, to build bridges with the people we are seeking to win. We must seek to also understand their culture and appreciate them for who they are. And, we must be deeply conscious of the fact that, in the long run, the gospel is going to make a much deeper inroads into the culture, and we are going to make many more authentic, indigenous disciples of the Lord Jesus, if, early on, we can transfer the primary responsibility for evangelism and disciple-making over to cultural insiders.
Considered from this perspective, there are certain activities that may work well at attracting a crowd, and may give us an initial sense of accomplishment, but which, in the long run, will prove counterproductive in regard to our end goal of a truly indigenous church—a church that is capable of bearing witness to the fact the faith of the Bible is not a Western religion, only valid for those in the West and those on the cultural fringe who may, for whatever reason, be attracted to foreign ideas.
It may mean intentionally choosing not to be out front, and being content to remain behind the scenes. Instead of preaching to multitudes, it may mean pouring our time and effort into discipling and equipping a few choice indigenous believers and helping them to be effective at reaching their fellow countrymen.
In any case, whether we do our job well as Great Commission Christians or not, the gospel is still true. And it is not just true like Aesop’s fables are true. “It is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile (that is, to all the other people groups of the earth)” (Rom. 1:16). But it is still our responsibility to see to it that the gospel we preach, and the methods we use to preach it, effectively communicate the idea that it is not just a Western religion. It is the one true universal faith.
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¹Citing Burlan A. Sizemore, Jr., “Christian Faith in a Pluralistic World,” Journal of Ecumenical Studies 13 (1976) 411.
²Paul F. Knitter, No Other Name? (Maryknoll, N.Y.: Orbis, 1985), pp. 3–4.



Some people try to make a distinction between pluralism and inclusivism, as if such a distinction matters. Even a cursory reading of the Bible shows that it claims to be the inerrant, inspired word of God and that its claims of being the total of divine truth are completely exclusive. In other words, it is true and anything else ascribed as being a source of divine truth (the Koran or any other religions text) is false. Further, because it is the exclusive source of divine truth it exclusively reveals the way of salvation and, as a result, inclusivism and plurallism are both false, heretical doctrines and anyone who holds to those ideologies is a heretic who has abandoned the gospel. In short, Christians know that only those who consciously trust Christ to save them and repent of their sins will be saved** whereas pluralists and inclusivists reject such a claim of exclusivity because they reject the gospel.
**They also recognize that God will not show even an ounce of mercy on those who worship in other religions no matter how good, faithful, or sincere they were. No one is going to get to heaven and say “Huh?? This whole time I’d been praying to Allah it was actually Christ who saved me. Really? Never saw that one coming.”
Joe,
I am glad we both believe that both pluralism and inclusivism are false. That is the main point of what I am writing here: there is only one true universal faith.
At the same time, if we think about it, I think we would all agree that all truth is God’s truth. And, although all other religions besides biblical Christianity are, at the core, false paths and false hopes, that does not mean they may not contain elements of truth. It is fairly irrefutable, for example, that the majority of the world religions teach something fairly similar to the Golden Rule. Does that make the Golden Rule false? Of course not! It may mean that natural revelation and the witness of the Holy Spirit in the conscience of man has penetrated to some degree the hard hearts of even those who do not know the true God and are not the true inheritors of eternal life.
Also, I think there is some validity to seeking connecting points with other religions and cultures in which we can illustrate more clearly to those who have grown up in other contexts the exclusive truth of the gospel, pointing out both the points of similarity as well as the differences. The problem comes when we focus primarily on the similarities and neglect the differences.
I would agree that certainly understanding similarities and differences in other cultures and other religions is helpful in presenting the gospel. I mean, if I were going to share the gospel with someone with a background in Hinduism or a culture where that was the predominate religion, I’d be pretty foolish if I didn’t bear in mind the fact that to them there are thousands of gods. Or if I was sharing the gospel with a muslim it would be pretty silly to ignore the fact that some of them view the Crusades as a Chrisitan war. You are exactly right that we need to be aware of where they are and where we are.
Also, I concur that there are things in those false religions that are true statements (i.e. your example of the Golden Rule). I mean, the Bible isn’t the exhaustive source of all truth in the sense that it doesn’t tell me the truth of every fact in the universe. For example, if I need to know how to drive a car or determine whether a lease should be accounted for as an operating lease or a capital lease, the Bible won’t help me. I agree that there are things that are true outside of the Bible. I guess I meant exclusive with regards to the truth claims of scripture as it pertains to what it reveals. But, yes, I agree with your point and it is certainly a good one.
Looks like we are on the same page on this one, then. ☺
Wow, David, this is deep stuff. But very well researched, and as always, spot on!
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DAVID, you are not alone in your criticism of Knitter et al:
” . . . it must seem to be a miracle that there is still Christian faith despite everything, and not only in the surrogate forms of Hick, Knitter and others, but the complete, serene faith of the New Testament and of the church of all times.
Why, in brief, does the faith still have a chance? I would say the following: because it is in harmony with what man is. Man is something more than what Kant and the various post-Kantian philosophers wanted to see and concede. Kant himself must have recognized this in some way with his postulates.
In man there is an inextinguishable yearning for the infinite. None of the answers attempted are sufficient. Only the God himself who became finite in order to open our finiteness and lead us to the breadth of his infiniteness responds to the question of our being. For this reason, the Christian faith finds man today too. Our task is to serve the faith with a humble spirit and the whole strength of our heart and understanding.” J. Ratzinger
Christiane,
Thanks for the quote. In my research, I had come across references that alluded to the pope’s pointed criticism of Knitter, et al, when he was still Cardinal Ratzinger. But I had not yet read the direct quote.
It is curious to me, that as far as I can tell, Knitter still regards himself as a practicing Catholic. But, then again, renowned theologians such as Hans Küng and Karl Rahner seem to say very similar things to Knitter, and even Vatican II seems to second Rahner’s concept of “anonymous Christianity” in which the merits and grace of Christ cover those who sincerely follow the revelation they receive through other religions, though they never directly confess Jesus as Lord, or trust in His death on the cross as the source of their salvation.
concept of “anonymous Christianity” in which the merits and grace of Christ cover those who sincerely follow the revelation they receive through other religions, though they never directly confess Jesus as Lord, or trust in His death on the cross as the source of their salvation.
Of course, that’s a false gospel and scripture makes it clear that God will not save anyone who follows another religion sincerely but all must consciously come through Christ. Not saying that you were saying that, just wanted an opportunity to reiterate that since it is what all Christians believe. Those who follow the only light they have, if it is another religion (Hinduism, islam, etc) will burn in hell forever if they do not repent of their sins and consciously trust Christ for salvation. No one will be saved by Christ who doesn’t realize that Christ is the one who saved them.
Amen, Joe. That makes the imperative to get the gospel to these people all the more critical, and that the gospel we get to them is not some sort of syncretistic Western religion, but the biblical gospel.
Exactamundo.
Hi DAVID,
I think that both the unity AND the diversity within the Catholic Church must confuse those who are not familiar with it. I have heard different things about Knitter, but he may be a practicing Catholic in good standing and still disagree philosophically with Pope Benedict, who is something of a ‘conservative-liberal’ (don’t ask) in the Church. I think they both affirm the formal Vatican Catechism, though. I do know that there has been a severe jerking of the chain on certain elements of the Church that have been proponents of a ‘liberation’ theology that got a bit out of control in areas of South America, and for good reason.
On the whole, the diversity in my Church is a healthy sign, I think.
The Church . . . well, what can I say . . . we see Baptists as ‘brethren’, albeit ‘separated’ and that is not something that is just talk. Think of it this way: Dayton University is a Catholic school with a rather wonderful doctoral student teaching in their religion department who is a Southern Baptist: Emily Hunter McGowin.
That’s not going to happen in a setting that does not value what diversity can bring to the Church, as long as important differences are acknowledged with all proper respect.
Christiane,
I am fairly confident you would agree with me in affirming the famous saying: “In essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, in all things charity.”
Now, if we could just agree on which things are essentials, and which are non-essentials… ☺
Yes, DAVID, I love that saying.
The ‘differences’ are many, and yes, ‘agreement’ on ‘essentials’ seems beyond our human abilities at this time.
Maybe the best at present to be hoped for is to try to understand with patience what a Christian brother is trying to share, in hopes that some healing may come of it. This involves a way of listening to ‘others’ in depth, that not many of us know how to do easily, I’m afraid.
Unity.
I have thought about it, this:
is OR was there ever any REAL unity among Christians other than what is found centered for them IN Christ the Lord, by the grace of the Holy Spirit?
If there is, I do not know of it.
I agree that is a good start. I also agree that our unity must be based in Christ the Lord, by the grace of the Holy Spirit. As I understand it, that implies agreement upon the gospel that Jesus came to this earth in order to bring us.
Yes, we do need to learn to listen carefully. I hope to do a better job of listening myself. Let’s continue the dialogue, as the Lord gives us grace.
I was under the impression that to disagree with an official doctrine of the Catholic church was a mortal sin, at least, according to the official doctrine.
I was hoping maybe Christiane might check in on this one. Indeed, there are some apparent contradictions within the Catholic system. But maybe Christiane or someone else can help us to understand this better.
One of the factors that has often eluded our era is the intellectual depths of the Bible. Many years ago I was involved in the study of intellectual history and at the same time I was doing research in church history which gave me the opportunity to see how biblical teachings were applied over time. It was at that point I began to reflect on the fact that the Bible was the product of inspiration by omniscience and that it should reflect the profundity that would be commensurate with such a reality. I fell into examining the Holy Scripture for its depth and found it to be breathtaking. The nature of the doctrines or truths revealed therein were found to be apparently two-sided and apparently contradictory (that is they could not be reconciled by the human mind and evidently were not meant to be). The apparent two-poled teachings set up a tension in the human mind, a desirable tension, which enable the believer to be flexible and balanced. For example, at times one needs to be objective, scientific, if you please, gathering data, evaluating facts. On other occasions one must be subjective, warming, affirming, supportive (as in the counseling situation). One of the teachings of the Bible that kept me from accepting the higher critical approach to the Holy Writ was the fact of the failure on the part of advocates of such method to face the truth that the Book is the word of God written, both human and Divine, a two sided inspiration. And then there was the fact that the Book seem to lack the primitive mentality which I came to see as something read into it by the advocates of higher criticism. The whole thing seem to come out of the Enlightenment (called French Infidelity in the 1700s) in France and England in the 18th century which was then polished up by the Germans in the 19th and sanctified by the Brits and Americans with the term Higher Criticism. Carried to extreme it resulted in statements like the following in one of my textbooks in seminary, “We have in the Gospels the merest whisper of Jesus voice.”
The intellectual approach which involves a number of steps considers the ideas supposedly revealed and communicated to the reader of Scripture. It enabled me to hold the skepticism of the higher critical approach in abeyance while I investigated the writings for those indications of subtlety of a Divine nature. In the end that subtlety and depth, that profundity and sagacity, that judicious and therapeutic wisdom of Divinity won the day for me and with me. The One True Universal Faith slowly emerged and revealed its cruciality at those junctures where real answers, eternal answers are required.
Admittedly, it is hard to discern the depths in something as clear as the Bible, in its profundity of simplicity, in its clarity that hides its depth to eyes not trained to perceive such. Humility is a dominant part of the process, for one will be brought to much lowliness in meeting with demands and requirements that lie quite beyond our capacities. Helplessness is not a pleasant feeling; it is an anguish, an anxiety of the most extreme kind that makes one cry out for the only solace of relief, namely, the help of God Himself alone. “Help thou mine unbelief.” That man was talking about his belief. He came to look on it in the light of our Lord’s words as the essence of unbelief. The Syro-Phonecian woman was willing to fully admit her status as reprobate (surely a dog that returns to its own vomit is a good image of reprobation)and therefore overjoyed at the thought of a mere crumb that would not take bread from the children being more than sufficient to meet her needs. The gift and coming of faith from God is surely to be found in the utmost difficulty and opposite teachings. Seems like to me that a counseling book I have, titled, Therapeutic Paradoxes, should really be better put by the ministers of the Christian Faith, providing they have not tossed out the paradoxes of Sovereignty in salvation, those paradoxes that produced the Reformation, the First and Second Great Awakenings, Religious Liberty, the Launching of the Great Century of Missions, and bids fair to produce the Third Great Awakening, the one one that wins the whole earth and every soul in it in one generation and then for 999 more in order to fulfill the promises to Abraham of a seed as innumerable as the stars of Heaven, the sand of the sea, and the dust of the earth. God has never been noted for wasting His breath, and why would he make a statement about “his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.”(I Chron.16:15) Allowing just 20 years per generation and one has 20,000 years of an earth being filled with His knowledge (Jn,17:3) and His glory (Gals.6:14) as the waters that cover the sea (Isa.11:9; Hab.2:14)(also see Dan. 2 where the stone becomes a great mountain and fills the whole earth). And what greater glory could there be than for God’s message of Christ to win every would by peaceable and peaceful and gentle and loving persuasion, a message that as the lady said to a friend of mind named Spurgeon after he had won her to Christ and wanted to know why she had responded so readily, “O, it was so wonderful that I could not resist it.”
Thanks for this testimony on the authority and sufficiency of Scripture. I really think this is one of the bottom-line issues, if not the bottom-line issue at stake, as far as pluralism and inclusivism are concerned.
The question remains for SBC inerrantists as they position themselves for the conversation with pluralism: what do they do with page 51 of Diarmaid MacCulloch’s magisterial work, Christianity?
Quoting:
It is also striking that certain incidents in the stories of the Patriarchs mirror incidents that took place in a more definitely “historical” context six centuries after 1800 BC. Obvious lurid examples are the duplicated threats of gang rape in a city (with dire consequences for the perpetrators), to be found in both Genesis 19 and Judges 19. Similarly the children of Israel with a carelessness that Lady Bracknell would have deplored, twice put to the sword the unfortunate city of Shechem, once in Genesis 34 and again in Judges 9. Another problem: the patriarchal narratives contain one or two references to Philistines, who come from a later period of history,and there are many more to a people who are close relatives to the Patriarchs, called Aramaeans–Abraham is very precisely given a kinship to the Aramaeans in one family tree. The settlement of Aramaeans in areas reasonably close to the land of Caanan/Israel/Palestine was a gradual process, but other historical evidence shows that it cannot have begun any earlier than 1200 BCE, and that was a very different era from the supposed time of the Patriarchs; their arrival was in a time which followed a further great upheaval in the story of the Children of Israel. Altogether, the chronology of the Book of Genesis simply does not add up as a historical narrative when it is placed in a reliably historical wider context.
Above from page 51 of Diarmaid MacCulloch’s Christianity
I would hope David Rogers and his classes at SEBTS as they explore this topic would at a minimum engage the last 150 pages of MacCulloch on this matter; as well as the thinking of Marilynne Robinson.
Wouldn’t hurt for them to have Robinson on campus for a couple days and explore all the implications of her novel, Gilead. Most interesting on Grace, Forgiveness, John Calvin, Feuerbach and Soapy the Cat.
The existential question remains for me; how could a Baptist in good conscience exchange the testimony of Roy Honeycutt at 1990 SBC in New Orleans and the thunderous applause he received from multitudes of Baptist Christians for the mess of porridge of the Texas Regulars, Jesse Helms and Judge Pressler.
Stephen,
Just curious. Is the reference to MacCulloch specifically related to pluralism, or just to inerrancy?
Also, would you personally consider yourself to be a religious pluralist? Why or why not?
Macculloch has one paragraph in a thousand page book about Christianity. My implication from the quote is that inerrancy is not an adequate foundation neither to displace a denomination, much less to rubric to engage the world’s religions.
As for pluralism I consider myself a Christian. That is the framework given to me to consider ultimate matters, I have embraced it for which to explore these matters. The sermons of Fleming Rutledge–she couches herself in generous orthodoxy–and Barbara Brown Taylor ring true to me.
I think a little outside the box of my Dad, my grandfather; and your Dad, though all three were more consistently pious and righteous than I am. As you know I think Randall Lolley, Bill Self and Robert Marsh and his Son Charles had a grander vision of the Baptist Christian faith tradition in their time than your Father.
I do not mean that as a taunt or a point on the scoreboard, just trying to help us one more time understand each other.
All that said, I find your ruminations fascinating given the mantle you bear. I find your honesty to explore the light given you of considerable virtue; and it may be a mysetery I may never fully resolve.
All that said, as genuinely and sincerely as a Brother in Christ Jesus as I can say it; I once again invite you to soon as possible consider MacCulloch and Robinson. Given your calling to explore these matters, I think you be intellectually gelded on your Pilgrimage in these matters if you refuse the invitation.
And Charles Kimball has much for you and the folks at SEBTS to consider as well.
I realize that you, and for certain others who frequent this site will find my response evasive. But I have been here as honest as I can and as adequate within my limits to this exchange.
MacCulloch’s two brief treatments of Bonhoeffer I found serene. Would love for you to find the references in the Index and respond here to how it strikes you.
David Rogers: Hope this helps. I can find little if any fault with Jon Meacham’s take here on the Magisterial Christianity.
This is just for starters. I continue you to invite you at a minimum to with all deliberation consider the last 150 pages of MacCulloch’s work
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/books/review/Meacham-t.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
Stephen,
Thanks for the link. I read the Meacham article. I probably won’t have time anytime soon to read MacCulloch (either the whole book or the 150 pages you recommend), as I’ve got a lot of assigned reading already on my reading list.
I would be interested to know, though, if MacCulloch thinks that Jesus literally rose from the dead. Personally, I find it hard to find much use for a Christianity that sees the resurrection merely as a myth upon which to build hopes for a better tomorrow or the ethical improvement of humanity.
I think Paul was very serious, when he said, “if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith” (1 Cor. 15:14). And, if Jesus really and truly rose from the dead, the rest of the supernatural events recorded in the Bible are not so hard to believe.
If you don’t mind me continuing to pry, does your “generous orthodoxy” include a firm belief in the literal bodily resurrection of Jesus?
Fleming Rutledge has the site, Generous Orthodoxy. She does not own the phrase but does it much more justice than me.
She has a grand sermon Doubting and Believing in her collection Help my Unbelief. I commend it to you. Her exploration of the Palm Sunday tornado in Goshen, Alabama of 94–I went to one of the funerals–has been strong again for me as I consider the tragedy of the train wreck of Corinth Baptist Church of Gaffney this last week. A Former pastor spoke at my Dad’s funeral, and another former pastor of that church wife and daughter were kidnapped by the Shining Path when they were missionaries in Peru in the 70′s.
So yes, I believe everything the Bible says and Fleming Rutledge preaches. But till we get to the other side it is a matter of faith.
So join me and Jon Meacham and Strobe Talbott and read Diarmaid MacCulloch as soon as you can.
Rereading Marilynne Robinson this afternoon, I stumbled on this passage. As the story plays, the 70 year old Pastor whose Grandfather was an abolitionist preacher in Iowa during the Civil War, who with his brother and father has considered Fuerbach and Barth and tried to make sense of it during WWII and his waning years in the 50′s, in Small town Iowa has this exchange with a searching son of a fellow pastor who explores the mystery of why all the black families left this small town in Iowa after a suspicious fire at their church in the 40′s.
And the pious protagonist of Robinson’s Pulitzer novel for 2003, Rev John Ames says on page 175: “When this old sanctuary is full of silence and prayer, every book Karl Barth ever will write would not be a feather in the scales against it from the point of view of profundity, and I would not believe in Barth’s own authenticity if I did not also believe he would know and recognize the truth of that, and honor it, too.”
Excellent post David. All points are well taken and presented. I would love to be in your SEBTS seminar to hear yours and others presentations.
I will only comment on one part of your post, the idea that Christianity is a Western Religion. You make an excellent point that Christianity has been influenced by Western culture but is essentially Eastern in origin. As someone who has lived about one-half of his life in Asia, I stopped thinking of Christianity as Western a long time ago. Americans are slow to realize that the center of Christianity is moving back to the East after passing from the Western Hemisphere toward Asia again. Korea, China, Singapore and other Asian countries are the center of the most vibrant expressions of Christianity today. I think a case could be made for Africa also. We tend to measure Christianity by the size of our buildings, TV time and political power. In Asia it is measured more by the change in lives of people. Fortunately the major growth is among those who believe as you have stated in the divine authority of the Bible.
Ron,
Thanks for checking in and giving us your perspective on this from the East. Personally, I think that is one of the important roles that missionaries can fulfill—not only as envoys from the church in the West to the rest of the world, but also reciprocally, bringing back to the West something of which we learn from our contact with the Body of Christ in the rest of the world. I think blogging is a great platform for communicating these lessons we have learned and are learning. I would love to hear from others in other parts of the world as well—also, local believers. But language limitations make that a little more difficult. Once again, that brings us back to the importance of cross-cultural missionaries.
You all might appreciate the views of those who think they run the world. Cf. Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope. NY: Macmillan, 1965. There you will see the source of this acceptance of pluralism and the source of the resistance and, indeed, the determined effort through the past three centuries to stamp out determinism (i.e., Calvinism or Sovereign Grace). But it will also be helpful to have a better grasp of the nature of the ideas of the verbally inspired and inerrant word of God. A better method is needed, one that is not only analytical (the problem with the modern scientific approach), but also intellectual (cognizant of the ideas that supernaturalism presents), and synthetical (a method that is able to experimentally test two-sided and seemingly contradictory ideas which cannot be reconciled and are not meant to be). These are exciting times in which to be alived as civilization awakens to the wealth of wisdom in the Book of books, the Bible, the inspired or perhaps better expired ans breathed out truths from God’s own nature.