Do Jesus’ and Paul’s Harsh Words Justify Ours?
Posted by Dave Miller in Baptist Life, Bible & Theology
Its déjà vu all over again!
Recently, I was following a discussion on another blog and a woman jumped in with a verbal Uzi and began spraying everyone with her angry words. She was God’s avenging angel there to straighten out all of us compromised, unbiblical, and ungodly people. I confronted her about the tone and manor of her conversation. She responded by pointing to Jesus’ words to the Pharisees and Paul’s strong words about those who perverted the gospel.
Over the last couple of years I have had several conversations on this blog and others with a man who absolutely hates the CR and those who led it. In the strongest terms, he confronts the lack of love displayed by CR leaders. He insults conservatives and calls them names because of our lack of love. I called him on that, asking how he could use such unkind words to advance love. It was déjà vu. He went right back to Jesus and Paul and laid claim to their mantle. Since they were harsh in treating Pharisees and Judaizers, he was justified in his treatment of conservatives.
A very conservative woman and a much more liberal man both went to the same place to justify their unkind words toward others. They are not isolated instances. I have seen blogger after blogger use the words of Paul and Jesus to justify harsh words against one another. ”I’m just defending the faith.” ”I’m boldly standing for truth.” They make demeaning, harsh – yes, I think unchristian – words seem so noble.
So, my question today is simple: are they right? Does the way that Jesus rebuked the Pharisees and the way that Paul confronted those who would return Christians to slavery to the Law justify mean-spirited blogging? Did Jesus’ words to the Pharisees justify me calling-names in online conversations?
Obviously, I don’t think so. I do not believe that we can justify our unkindness to one another by appealing to Jesus or to Paul. I think it is a convenient use of scripture, poor hermeneutics and most simply, a misuse of scripture to justify acting in the flesh.
Jesus and the Pharisees
There is no question that Jesus was direct with the Pharisees in Matthew 23 and elsewhere. He called them hypocrites because they did not practice what they preached. He called them blind guides because they lacked the spiritual insight to lead people in the ways of God. He called them serpents because they spread the poison of false teaching among the people of God. And, in his coup de grace, he called them “whitewashed tombs” – a powerful figure of speech describing those who present a pleasant exterior but have hearts of death and decay.
I would make the following observations about Jesus’ words in Matthew 23.
- Jesus had a perfect insight into the heart and motives of people that you and I simply do not have. I can analyze your actions and words, but I do not really know your motives. Jesus’ divine nature gave him an understanding we don’t have.
- Jesus was not settling small differences between friends. He was dealing with people who rejected the truth about him and had set themselves in opposition to God’s work. That is very different than the differences between BI and its opponents, or between Calvinists and non-Calvinists. The argument only has any validity at all if the other person can be defined as an enemy of the gospel. We should be very slow to do that.
- Jesus’ strong words focused on real behavior and actions of the false religious leaders. He did not call them names to beat them down or to win an argument. His words accurately described those men. They were hypocrites. They were guides for God’s people in spite of their spiritual blindness. They spread poison. The were holy on the outside but corrupt on the inside. These were their real behaviors. Jesus was speaking the truth, not venting his anger.
- Jesus also made it clear that his disciples would be known for their love. He entreated the Father in John 17 to unify his followers. It was Jesus who told us that our dealings with one another should be marked by love and kindness, not by vituperation.
Unless we are dealing with someone who has purposely entered the church (or a blog) to undermine the gospel and lead people astray, we are on very shaky ground in using Jesus’ words to justify our harsh words.
Paul and the Judaizers
Paul’s chief opponents, at least in the early days of his ministry, were a group within the church who advocated the idea that Christians had to observe the Jewish Law. They saw Christianity as a Jewish sect and were opposed to Paul’s teachings that in Christ there is not Jew or Gentile. Some use the term Judaizers to describe them.
In Galatians, Paul confronted these quarrelsome folks. He claimed that they advocated a false gospel, one that corrupted and denied the grace of God. In Galatians 1:6-7 he describes it as a “different gospel” – one that has been distorted. In verse 9, he wishes those who preach a false gospel would be “accursed.” In Galatians 5:12, he gives his summary statement. He wishes that those who are so concerned about circumcision would be “cut off.” Yeah, that’s what he’s saying. If they are so concerned about trimming around it, I wish they would just cut it off. Sorry – Paul’s idea, not mine! No one can doubt that these are harsh words.
Again, I would make a few observations.
- Paul was dealing with someone who was leading his own spiritual children astray. He was not in an argument on a blog with someone who disagreed with him. He was talking to people who were trying to undermine the work he had done in Galatia.
- Paul was operating here under the inspiration of the Spirit as he proclaimed the Word. Again, he may have had a level of spiritual insight that you and I do not have.
- Like Jesus, he was dealing with people who were undermining the gospel itself. Yes, Jesus confronted Peter about his behavior, but he did that brother to brother, seeking resolution. It was those who denied the gospel and were trying to undermine the faith of the disciples that were addressed in this manner, not errant believers.
- Paul gave us clear instructions on how we were do deal with one another. He tells us to deal forthrightly, but gently with one another. He tells us this over and over again. In his own dealings with the Galatian churches, with the church of Corinth and others, Paul was direct in confronting sin or false teaching, but he did it in a spirit of love. He was genuinely concerned with their growth and they knew it. He was passionate, honest, direct, but also kind and gentle.
- Yes, in Galatians 5:12, Paul expresses a harsh sentiment about false teachers who undermine the gospel. But we would do well to remember what he said just after that. In verse 16, he tells us to walk in the Spirit, not in the flesh. He defines the “works of the flesh” and the “fruit of the Spirit.” The lists are pretty clear. The works of the flesh include such things as “enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions.” Do we see a lot of that in blogging? What does the Spirit produce? “Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.” Don’t you think it might be good for us to demonstrate more of these in our dealings with one another?
Again, Paul was forceful in confronting false teachers. But he was much more gentle in his dealings with errant brothers who needed to be corrected. He did not blast them with destructive words. He warned them, encouraged them and instructed them.
Observations
1) While it is true that both Jesus and Paul expressed harsh words towards the enemies of the work of God, we do not have the same spiritual insight they did and we would do well not to act as if we do.
2) Both Paul and Jesus directed their words against patently false teachers, enemies of the gospel who were leading astray the people of God. When we are discussing our views of truth with brothers and sisters in Christ, we would do well to leave this kind of speech to Jesus and Paul.
3) When you talk this way, you are treating people like unbelievers – no, not just unbelievers, but false teachers. You better make sure you are not speaking to fellow-Christians that way, my friend. God will deal with you if you treat one of his children like an unbelieving false teacher. You offend him when you do that – it is no small thing to do so.
4) While there are a few instances of Jesus and Paul speaking harshly, there are myriad teachings from both Jesus and Paul about humility, kindness, graciousness and the importance of watching our words. We should make those scriptures our standard of behavior.



A salient morsel for me to consider Dave. Thank you for your willingness and boldness to share it.
Rob
No words themselves are evil/wrong/improper for anyone (Christian’s included) to say. It is the motive behind saying those words which makes one’s actions sinful/wrong/ect. If as Christians, when talking with others, or just expressing frustration, say “FUDGE!!”, instead of the F-word, are we in our hearts not saying the same thing? My grandmother HATED when anyone said “Gosh darn” because “You are just replacing the words not the meaning.”
As such, I am of the opinion that it is the motives and inward feelings of the heart, that determine if what someone is saying on the blogs is wrong or not. Someone can speak with “right” language, but still be speaking with tons of anger and hate in their hearts. Like wise, there are occasions where “colorful metaphors” may be appropriate to use. It is these occasions which match what Jesus our Lord and Paul did/said. But for us today, those situations are far and few between.
So again, I will throw out the suggestion that it is not just the language we use, but the motives and feelings of our hearts that we need to watch when we are discussing here on these blogs.
Hi DAVID,
I can understand your dismay at seeing the words of Our Lord and St. Paul used to justify treating people poorly.
That behavior, in my faith, is considered to be a kind of blasphemy.
The person involved may not be understanding this, so I don’t want to judge, but I sincerely wish that someone could help this person, David. I think that the behavior seen on that blog indicates someone who is troubled and needs compassion and prayer.
Svmusch,
I’m not sure exactly what you are saying. I said nothing here about four-letter words. I’m talking about harsh words of insult, not profanity.
“Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. ” (Ephesians 4:29, NAS)
Though I certainly have been known to fall short of this, this is the best guide I know. I really liked the series Rastis posted last spring on faulty logic. Any Christian who opens their mouth (across the keyboard or otherwise) should be able to debate without utilizing any of these techniques, including ad hominem attacks. Of course many take commentary on behavior or opinions as an ad hominem attack. Others use ‘taking offense’ as a primary defense. In both cases, further debate is usually pointless.
One of the verses I need to constantly remind myself of, Scott.
And I too have often failed to follow my own advice. Blogging has an effect on all of us. We all tend to get a little rowdy at times.
All good advice.
Would Jesus calling the Pharisees a “brood of vipers” count as ad hominem?
Also, what are we to make of Martin Luther’s name calling?
Well, I’m not concerned about Martin Luther’s name-calling. He was a great historical figure, but neither a Savior nor an apostle.
Was Jesus ad-hominem? I guess you could call it that. But, of course, he is righteous judge of the living and the dead, right? He is the perfect Son of God who has the right to judge and a perfect frame of reference from which to judge.
Someone who opposed him WAS a viper. But we are on shaky ground when we mimic Jesus in this, since none of us has the perfect insight that Jesus had.
I think it would be a serious thing for me to call anyone a “viper” or a “whited sepulchre” lacking the perfect insight and judgment of the Savior.
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego answered and said to the king, “O Nebuchadnezzar, we have no need to answer you in this matter. If that is the case, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and He will deliver us from your hand, O king. But if not, let it be known to you, O king, that we do not serve your gods, nor will we worship the gold image which you have set up.”
There should always be respect when we make our final direct statements.
Hollywood and some evangelist, along with some preachers (I mean that in a nice way) have dramatized what has been said in God’s Word and brought across the wrong message and wrong intent of the heart. When I come to the discussion between the Prophet Nathan and David in 2 Samuel 12, my mental picture of this event was developed by the way Nathan stated, “Thou art the man.” I picture a scowling skinny old man standing up and pointing his boney finger at David when he made that statement. At least, that is how the preacher described it in my early years as a Christian. The more I grow in grace I see a completely different picture. Nathan is humble now and has a very hard message to bring to his friend. In written form it can be seen many different ways.
That is what’s tough about blogging. Because my gift is both teaching and prophet, I will have a tendency of coming across using absolute words instead of “I think” or “maybe we should…” It is not that I think men are sissy for using them like I use to, I just think many of us are different in how we get our point across. It takes much discernment and wisdom to handle those who simply throw the mud on a white wall.
Great post, Dave. I am facing a situation created by harsh words within a family. It built up over five years and they have been split over harsh statments now for seven years. A grandchild does not understand the issue and wants to see her grandmother. The parents refuse. These are all Christians, too. The worse training we can give a child is this very thing. Again, thanks, Dave.
First of all, regarding the topic of the post (speaking harshly) I know that I’m guilty. I’ve been dismissive, beligerant, and totally disrepectful to moderates, what they believe, and what they went throught during what they term as “the Takeover”.
And I’ve meant each and every word of it.
Now, the question becomes am I right to do so? No, I’m not. However, if someone came in a restaurant where you were eating and maybe watching the Crimson Tide roll on to yet another glorious victory and they began to yell curse words, overturn tables, and strow trash all over the place I would be awfully surprised to see you just sit there and not do something. So, when someone who was on the side that lost (and that side lost because they opposed God) comes onto a public blog comment thread to spew filth then there are probably going to be some people who are going to react in a less than positive manner to that. Does that make it right? No. However, it shouldn’t come as a big ol’ shock to someone when it happens.
I think the anonymity of the internet gives otherwise sensible people the opportunity to demonstrate the character that lies deep within. Dave Barry once said that no matter how nice someone is to you, if they are not nice to the waiter, they are not a nice person. I am convinced that no matter how nice a person is in person, if they are vituperative and condescending in anonymous online postings, they are not a nice person.
I believe there is a time and place for rebuke. I believe those who behave badly online should be called down and moderated. As a group moderator, I control the tone on the discussion list I co-moderate and we tend to be a friendly group. I believe it is the responsibility of list moderators and owners to own the conversation and moderate the tone as their name implies.
Beyond that, civility should rule the day. I should be able to passionately express my ideas without insulting others. That is the mark of a mature person. That I do not always live up to this ideal is my own personal failing, and I would like to think that I have issued apologies as necessary whenever I have needlessly offended some. On the other hand, there are some in need of offending – the pompous, the arrogant, the supercilious, etc. – and for offending them I offer no apology for it is their own pride that has been offended, not them. And this, I think, is where Jesus dwelt. Allowing those seeking to be offended to indulge themselves. Jesus did not stomp out the smoldering wicks, but he did chop those down to size who were seeking an occasion against him. If online bloggers and commenters were able to make that distinction, I think the tone would take care of itself.
One final point about the offenses of Jesus – as far as I can tell, he never escalated the exchange, but rather put his interlocutors to silence. I have only rarely seen that happen online.
Joe, Are you sure you aren’t really CB Scott with all that Bama nonsense?
When you make that decision to treat someone as an enemy of the gospel and approach them that way, you lose any hope of influencing them. I guess I’d say you’d better be absolutely sure of your judgment in a case like that.
Shadrach and his buddies are a great example, Bruce.
Rick, you hit on one of the problems. I met several bloggers in Orlando this year. Meeting them, sharing meals with them – it put a face to the names and it frankly changed the way I blog with them. Anonymity allows us the freedom to be a little dismissive or even unkind.
Its one of the endemic dangers of blogging.
Post on topic, Stephen.
Dave,
See, that’s the thing. I don’t want to have any influence on them. I don’t have any interest whatsoever in helping you know who see the light. Because he and other moderates take the positions they take, which are all contrary to what is clearly revealed in God’s inerrant word, they demonstrate that they are not to be reasoned with. I think the II Peter 2 description applies–”brute beasts”–particularly since they are false teachers that teach a false gospel.
So, you’re right, by being harsh with moderates (and meaning every, single, solitary word of it) I lose the ability to try to win them to my position.
And, strangely enough, I’m ok with that.
Stephen,
If you have something you especially want me to read, you can always e-mail it to me. It would seem that some folks think a lot of your comments are made more with the intention of stirring the pot than they are of furthering meaningful discussion on the topic at hand. I don’t want for us to have to “default” moderate any particular commenter. But, I think this would be a good point for you to take into consideration, whenever you have a comment to make.
Joe,
In relation to your last comments here, especially the parts where you say:
“Does that make it right? No. However, it shouldn’t come as a big ol’ shock to someone when it happens,” and
“And, strangely enough, I’m ok with that.
”
I would like to, in Christian love, ask that you consider getting and reading the following book:
http://www.amazon.com/Love-Covers-Biblical-Design-Christ/dp/B000Z2OYGY/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1285084590&sr=8-5
If you don’t have the time, or don’t want to bother ordering it, though, at least, check out the excerpts I have copied from it here:
http://loveeachstone.blogspot.com/2006/03/love-covers-part-i.html
http://loveeachstone.blogspot.com/2006/03/love-covers-part-ii.html
I really think (and hope) this will give you a new perspective on this.
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Dave Rodgers–I may not buy the book but I’ll check out those exerpts. Thank you.
Joe,
I agree that we need to put to silence the ignorance of foolish men. However, if your intent is not to persuade them to your position, what is the point in engaging with them?
rick
Wise counsel from which I have to keep reminding myself, “The anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God” (Jas 1:20).
Dave,
First time commenter here, although we have had some good (and civil) discussions over at SBCVoices. Since my name seems to be brought up in some of these discussions, I feel that I need to at least comment this morning before a busy day of ministry that awaits. I do not know what transpired between you and Stephen, but I do think that you or I or any blog owner/moderator has the right to set boundaries and rules for commenting. Since I have been blogging only since this past July, I have not had occasion to reject anyone’s comments (although I did edit one for mildly offensive language)nor to ban anyone from commenting. The way I view my blog is that everyone who reads is a customer. Some will like what I write. Some won’t. Some will comment favorably. Some won’t. Some will stay on topic. Some won’t. Some will push my buttons. Some won’t. What someone else says is on them. How I respond to them is on me.
I’m not sure what Stephen means when he says I and others “understand.” Perhaps its a greater latitude in allowing comments. Perhaps its something else. In any event, I think that the lack of civil and Christian discourse can harden us. I think the above comment by Joe is a perfect example. While I don’t always respond the way that I should, I try as a pastor and as a blogger to follow Paul’s advice to Timothy in 2 Timothy 2:23-26, especially when dealing with “opponents.” Sometimes I ignore. At all times we should be gentle, instructing those who oppose us with gentleness and patience. I don’t always succeed at this, but as they say, God’s still working on me. Thanks for allowing me to dialogue. Have a blessed day in the Lord,
Howell
but I do think that you or I or any blog owner/moderator has the right to set boundaries and rules for commenting
Based upon….???
If someone comes into your house, you have the right to tell them to watch their mouth or throw them out if they misbehave. If you owned a business and someone came in starting trouble, you have the right to throw them out. People get thrown out at ball games for acting the fool. John Kerry had some guy thrown out of one of his speeches in Florida. But someone who owns (even if they don’t pay for it it’s still their’s) a blog doesn’t have the right to moderate comments.
Yeah, that makes total sense.
Joe: Are you castigating Howell Scott for a position that you agree with?
I don’t agree with the position. The sentence “But someone who owns (even if they don’t pay for it it’s still their’s) a blog doesn’t have the right to moderate comments.” should have ended with a question mark.
Joe: Read Howell’s quote again. The line you quoted.
Never mind. I misread it. You are right. I stand corrected.
Joe,
Was there supposed to be a question mark at the end of your next to last sentence? I am assuming by the tone of your last sentence that the answer is yes, but you know what happens when you assume? I thought I was fairly clear about blog owners/moderators having the right to set boundaries and rules for comments, which would obviously include the right to exclude (“throw them out if they misbehave”)people from posting comments if so warranted. However, my personal opinion is that a blog is an entirely different animal than any of your analogies.
“Based upon???” I would not presume to tell Dave or anyone else what boundaries and rules to set for their blogs. My personal opinion is that my blog is a channel for open, two-way communication. If I did not want people to comment that I didn’t agree with or who were going to say mean things to me or who go off-topic, then I should turn my comments off. I don’t have to read the comments and I don’t have to respond to any of the comments, but if people take the time to read and comment, then I will do my best to respond, hopefully in as civil and Christ-like manner as I can,even if someone does not reciprocate. I moderate the comments that come into my blog, but thus far I have not felt the need to cut anyone off. But hey, there’s always a first-time for everything! Have a great day,
Howell
Howell,
As I’d said in comment 26, I misread your comment. I was wrong. I atand duly corrected.
Joe, I’m glad you atand corrected!!!
I’ll bet he’s not really standing. Or atanding.
I’d feel sorry for Joe, since we are making fun of him. But he’s a Bama fan, so he gets no sympathy.
I have a saying about dear JOE:
‘There is nobody as bad as Joe,
not even Joe.’
Those are 4 words you never expect to see strung together: feel …. sorry…. for …. Joe…
Dave
Ar yuo saying that your disappointment in my speling? What abuot my grammar?
In all seriousness, what do Iowa Hawkeye fans do when their football team wins a National Championship? Simple–they turn off their X-Box.